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	<title>Comments on: Banking on a Buyout: Is it really such a bad thing?</title>
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		<title>By: bankalar</title>
		<link>http://www.venturewoods.org/index.php/2008/03/04/banking-on-a-buyout-is-it-really-such-a-bad-thing/#comment-228711</link>
		<dc:creator>bankalar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have savings with ING direct and they are FDIC insured. It is the same level of protection that a normal bank has. Without it bricks and mortar mean nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have savings with ING direct and they are FDIC insured. It is the same level of protection that a normal bank has. Without it bricks and mortar mean nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: srinivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>srinivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niraj- Good topic for debate.

Rohit- You hit the nail.

Alok- Good insight.

Internet businesses cost little in terms of hard tangible assets and revenue models are innumerable. When I started my pet project on starting a online business for information sharing, I studied various sites and what they have to offer. I found out that in online business the positioning was the biggest problem. Differentiating your offerings from your competitors and  creating great value for your visitors is the challenge.

An integrated model comprising of b2b and b2c products and services ensures steady and sustainable revenues. We need to always keep in mind that for right informtaion at right time there is a premium. Content is the nectar to which hungry users flock. The organised retail industry has many solutions to the questions that Niraj has asked - when studied in depth you will get the right direction for your revenue and business model.There is no need to reinvent wheel you need to apply the knowledge in different context to be successful.  


   

Can Indians build great online businesses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niraj- Good topic for debate.</p>
<p>Rohit- You hit the nail.</p>
<p>Alok- Good insight.</p>
<p>Internet businesses cost little in terms of hard tangible assets and revenue models are innumerable. When I started my pet project on starting a online business for information sharing, I studied various sites and what they have to offer. I found out that in online business the positioning was the biggest problem. Differentiating your offerings from your competitors and  creating great value for your visitors is the challenge.</p>
<p>An integrated model comprising of b2b and b2c products and services ensures steady and sustainable revenues. We need to always keep in mind that for right informtaion at right time there is a premium. Content is the nectar to which hungry users flock. The organised retail industry has many solutions to the questions that Niraj has asked - when studied in depth you will get the right direction for your revenue and business model.There is no need to reinvent wheel you need to apply the knowledge in different context to be successful.  </p>
<p>Can Indians build great online businesses?</p>
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		<title>By: Krish</title>
		<link>http://www.venturewoods.org/index.php/2008/03/04/banking-on-a-buyout-is-it-really-such-a-bad-thing/#comment-176255</link>
		<dc:creator>Krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To generate interest from acquirers, the application should have more than just mass base.  It will have to qualify as a potential media vehicle as well. User base though is one primary metric, acquirer $$ will also evaluate level of broad advertiser appeal, type and stickiness of its user profile. Does the user stay long enough there for the brand to have his straying eyeball, etc. Take IRCTC. It has significant user traction, but the user profile isn’t sticky. The visitors to this site are in a hurry to book their rail ticket/check their reservation status and move on. Porn sites may have high volume traffic, but they’ve hardly been ad revenue drivers - not even for condom makers.
   
Internet consumption per se is crawling. Its user base is not spreading as fast as, say, mobile. Hence the insistence on transactional revenue model.  Every moonstruck app developer hacks away dreaming of delivering a Google-sque something.  But in the absence of sound commercial signaling, developer enthusiasm hardly drives investor sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To generate interest from acquirers, the application should have more than just mass base.  It will have to qualify as a potential media vehicle as well. User base though is one primary metric, acquirer $$ will also evaluate level of broad advertiser appeal, type and stickiness of its user profile. Does the user stay long enough there for the brand to have his straying eyeball, etc. Take IRCTC. It has significant user traction, but the user profile isn’t sticky. The visitors to this site are in a hurry to book their rail ticket/check their reservation status and move on. Porn sites may have high volume traffic, but they’ve hardly been ad revenue drivers - not even for condom makers.</p>
<p>Internet consumption per se is crawling. Its user base is not spreading as fast as, say, mobile. Hence the insistence on transactional revenue model.  Every moonstruck app developer hacks away dreaming of delivering a Google-sque something.  But in the absence of sound commercial signaling, developer enthusiasm hardly drives investor sentiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Alok Mittal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alok Mittal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that media oriented (ad revenue driven) businesses models have their first key indicators as user traffic and growth, and imho, its valid to show those as early metrics. In India, most businesses that we are finding interesting go beyond pure display advertising as revenues (given the small size of market there) and hence tend to demonstrate early revenue proof.

Again, internet or no internet, media businesses are not for the faint-hearted -- look at the TV channel sweepstakes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that media oriented (ad revenue driven) businesses models have their first key indicators as user traffic and growth, and imho, its valid to show those as early metrics. In India, most businesses that we are finding interesting go beyond pure display advertising as revenues (given the small size of market there) and hence tend to demonstrate early revenue proof.</p>
<p>Again, internet or no internet, media businesses are not for the faint-hearted &#8212; look at the TV channel sweepstakes!</p>
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		<title>By: Niraj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niraj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much appreciated! Thanks everybody for your opinions. This forum is all about discussing and learning things together.

I'll present a slightly mutated version of my argument soon as a new post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much appreciated! Thanks everybody for your opinions. This forum is all about discussing and learning things together.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll present a slightly mutated version of my argument soon as a new post <img src='http://www.venturewoods.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Harpreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harpreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess everybody who starts out is confident of having the 'huge' user base in place (despite the fact that everybody knows that 1-2% would succeed). This inherently means that anybody investing should (historically) not only be looking at a failure probability of 98% but also take the risk of the business getting bought out at the end of achieving that userbase. Doesnt sound great.

Also I believe as an entrepreneur it is fine to expect a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess everybody who starts out is confident of having the &#8216;huge&#8217; user base in place (despite the fact that everybody knows that 1-2% would succeed). This inherently means that anybody investing should (historically) not only be looking at a failure probability of 98% but also take the risk of the business getting bought out at the end of achieving that userbase. Doesnt sound great.</p>
<p>Also I believe as an entrepreneur it is fine to expect a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepak Shenoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepak Shenoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niraj: Difficulty to raise money is not a function of investors not appreciating the model. There are people who have raised money based on simple trust, or mortgaged their houses, or even convinced hundreds of people to pool into a dream. 

I think the problem is the ending. If the ending is silly, like "sell to someone before we run out of cash", it is not bound to find investment unless there is a visible and established population of greater fools, like there are in the US. 

Find a sustainable model, and then either bootstrap it or fund it, and the rest will follow. It's when you start looking at funding as a revenue item rather than a balance sheet liability that it all comes apart. 

Having said that I've tried the service/product mix and it just didn't work for me. Eventually it's about killing the golden goose and it's too darn difficult. But then It might work for you, so all the best there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niraj: Difficulty to raise money is not a function of investors not appreciating the model. There are people who have raised money based on simple trust, or mortgaged their houses, or even convinced hundreds of people to pool into a dream. </p>
<p>I think the problem is the ending. If the ending is silly, like &#8220;sell to someone before we run out of cash&#8221;, it is not bound to find investment unless there is a visible and established population of greater fools, like there are in the US. </p>
<p>Find a sustainable model, and then either bootstrap it or fund it, and the rest will follow. It&#8217;s when you start looking at funding as a revenue item rather than a balance sheet liability that it all comes apart. </p>
<p>Having said that I&#8217;ve tried the service/product mix and it just didn&#8217;t work for me. Eventually it&#8217;s about killing the golden goose and it&#8217;s too darn difficult. But then It might work for you, so all the best there.</p>
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		<title>By: Niraj Ranjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niraj Ranjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Rohit!

Basically, instead of complaining, we need to "work it out". I see the last 2-3 months we spent developing our product (http://apps.facebook.com/aspirations) as the most productive phase of my life. 

But then, since it is so very difficult to raise early stage money, precisely because investors here do not appreciate/understand/subscribe -to the model, we must find a way to generate revenue and earn money to go ahead with our lives. We have learnt to do that, and have learnt the hard way. This is what one needs to do, in my opinion:
-Build a small team to do services that generate money. Exercise restraint, so you don't focus away from your product. It is easy to get off-focus from the product, because services generate money. This is where the strength of the entrepreneur to say NO to something lucrative for the larger picture plays a big role.
-Build your product fast, work night and day, and get users, so you reach "fund-ability" as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Rohit!</p>
<p>Basically, instead of complaining, we need to &#8220;work it out&#8221;. I see the last 2-3 months we spent developing our product (http://apps.facebook.com/aspirations) as the most productive phase of my life. </p>
<p>But then, since it is so very difficult to raise early stage money, precisely because investors here do not appreciate/understand/subscribe -to the model, we must find a way to generate revenue and earn money to go ahead with our lives. We have learnt to do that, and have learnt the hard way. This is what one needs to do, in my opinion:<br />
-Build a small team to do services that generate money. Exercise restraint, so you don&#8217;t focus away from your product. It is easy to get off-focus from the product, because services generate money. This is where the strength of the entrepreneur to say NO to something lucrative for the larger picture plays a big role.<br />
-Build your product fast, work night and day, and get users, so you reach &#8220;fund-ability&#8221; as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an entrepreneur should always take 100% responsibility for the success of his idea. Just accept the facts - things are hard and stop complaining about stuff like - VCs not giving you their money to let you experiment freely without worrying about revenues; family and parental pressures and ecosystem-shecosystem. It's not gonna change anything.

The time when you are totally on your own, without any outside money and pressure is also the time when you can try out all your ideas. A few years down the line you might look at this as the most productive period of your life.

New Indian entrepreneurs complaint a lot and expect too much. Giving up your secure job at that Indian outsourcing company, doesn't make you a martyr who has sacrificed something for the larger good. You did it because you want something very big. So please stop complaining. Be a man (or lady) and put up a good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an entrepreneur should always take 100% responsibility for the success of his idea. Just accept the facts - things are hard and stop complaining about stuff like - VCs not giving you their money to let you experiment freely without worrying about revenues; family and parental pressures and ecosystem-shecosystem. It&#8217;s not gonna change anything.</p>
<p>The time when you are totally on your own, without any outside money and pressure is also the time when you can try out all your ideas. A few years down the line you might look at this as the most productive period of your life.</p>
<p>New Indian entrepreneurs complaint a lot and expect too much. Giving up your secure job at that Indian outsourcing company, doesn&#8217;t make you a martyr who has sacrificed something for the larger good. You did it because you want something very big. So please stop complaining. Be a man (or lady) and put up a good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: virat khutal</title>
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		<dc:creator>virat khutal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehe..ok we are working on it.

We have developed prediction model based on self-similarity. We are getting hits and exposure from the eye balls.

Now major issue we are facing?
"Revenue for Funding......or Funding for revenue."

We look at things with US prespective and copy paste in India. Which would not work at any level. Think over the problems....for small startup with low capital. Really low capital

Problems.
1. Stable Internet through broadband(They can'nt afford Lease Line)
2. When salaries in Infy and Satyams r pushing people for much higher salary standards.
3. Family and parental pressures to perform or atleast live like medicore.
4. Rent, office space, food, travelling or any expenses.
5. It is about struggle with small issues. 

Think about eco-system where output is source of input. Those business will always win the race. Rather then invest huge sums to get exposure. 

US can play around because they understand model. How many indian investors understand model of facebook or myspace?

Virat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe..ok we are working on it.</p>
<p>We have developed prediction model based on self-similarity. We are getting hits and exposure from the eye balls.</p>
<p>Now major issue we are facing?<br />
&#8220;Revenue for Funding&#8230;&#8230;or Funding for revenue.&#8221;</p>
<p>We look at things with US prespective and copy paste in India. Which would not work at any level. Think over the problems&#8230;.for small startup with low capital. Really low capital</p>
<p>Problems.<br />
1. Stable Internet through broadband(They can&#8217;nt afford Lease Line)<br />
2. When salaries in Infy and Satyams r pushing people for much higher salary standards.<br />
3. Family and parental pressures to perform or atleast live like medicore.<br />
4. Rent, office space, food, travelling or any expenses.<br />
5. It is about struggle with small issues. </p>
<p>Think about eco-system where output is source of input. Those business will always win the race. Rather then invest huge sums to get exposure. </p>
<p>US can play around because they understand model. How many indian investors understand model of facebook or myspace?</p>
<p>Virat</p>
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